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Friendly v Woking, Tuesday    Message 47809Thu, 01 November 2018 18:46  Go to next message

What do you hope to achieve with these friendlies, Day?

Wouldn't have to do them if we had a settled squad and a solid training structure where we work on plans and routines.

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Re: Friendly v Woking, Tuesday    Message 47810 is a reply to message 47809Thu, 01 November 2018 22:35  Go to previous messageGo to next message

The classic "would you like to do hard stuff, like train, or piss away the time that should have been spent on training (to sort out the glaring deficiences in our game) to fanny around in a totally meaningless game where we'll learn absolutely zip?"

I get it that Spencer hates training even more than some of the squad that he's meant to be in charge of. If I was manager I'd bullet every member of the squad who said I'll go for fannying around at the manager's leisure instead of doing the boring hard stuff that may, just may, turn us into a proper football team.

Give me strength.

An amateur hoping that there are enough remaining fans who'll follow this absolute rubbish.

This has to stop. Who is going to sound the final whistle?

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Re: Friendly v Woking, Tuesday    Message 47811 is a reply to message 47810Thu, 01 November 2018 22:57  Go to previous messageGo to next message

As I said before, it's a cop out from actually doing some proper coaching!!, plus it's a back handed attempt to squeeze a few more sheckles out of the few remaining supporters!!

It should be free to watch a training game!!!




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Re: Friendly v Woking, Tuesday    Message 47812 is a reply to message 47811Thu, 01 November 2018 23:26  Go to previous messageGo to next message

There are people at the club who know how this stuff works. So, do they call out the charlatan, or do they continue to keep their heads down?

Sadly, I reckon that calling out the charlatan is a step too far. A massive shame that'll be another step towards finally killing what was once a great football club.


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Re: Friendly v Woking, Tuesday    Message 47813 is a reply to message 47812Fri, 02 November 2018 07:58  Go to previous messageGo to next message

When two of the fans I respect the most post like this then things have got to a pretty pass...
Day, are you listening?

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Re: Friendly v Woking, Tuesday    Message 47814 is a reply to message 47813Fri, 02 November 2018 09:22  Go to previous messageGo to next message

Mickey wrote on Fri, 02 November 2018 07:58
When two of the fans I respect the most post like this then things have got to a pretty pass...
Day, are you listening?

Indeed.

And how many new faces/departures do we expect this week?

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Re: Friendly v Woking, Tuesday    Message 47815 is a reply to message 47814Fri, 02 November 2018 09:35  Go to previous messageGo to next message

...and how many goals will Robertson score against us?
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Re: Friendly v Woking, Tuesday    Message 47816 is a reply to message 47812Fri, 02 November 2018 10:21  Go to previous messageGo to next message

As we've seen around the world, when a dictator has a hold of his domain, it's very difficult for his subjugates to rise up against him!!

Sanctions against, from outside sources, seem to be the only way of abating him!

In our case, as attendances slowly decrease, maybe games in an almost empty stadium might bring it to a head, but don't hold your breath!








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Re: Friendly v Woking, Tuesday    Message 47817 is a reply to message 47816Fri, 02 November 2018 12:45  Go to previous messageGo to next message

Absolutely, protests alone cannot bring the emperor down, we just have to keep pointing out that he has no clothes and hope one day some self-doubt will creep in there, but this regime appear to have about as much shame as Trump.

If we understand this club is not being run for the fans or the community or the players, but so one entitled sociopath can play at being a football manager his entire life, then its easy to understand why he's happy to carry on with no one watching and no hope of improvement.

Remember when it was mooted Spencer would take over as manager of Wycombe? Seems a long time ago now doesn't it... Day has the same misplaced self-belief as Westley - another man with no man management skills or tactical ability who somehow ended up managing Preston North End fuelled by ego alone!

The current attitude seems to be that you're lucky to have a club at all, so if we left in six or seven goals a game against average opposition, go fourteen months without an away win, almost get relegated twice in one season, etc, etc, then you're just whining snowflakes who should count your blessings.

His club. His team. His ball, and if he takes it away and never comes back well, then you'll be sorry.

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Re: Friendly v Woking, Tuesday    Message 47818 is a reply to message 47817Fri, 02 November 2018 13:09  Go to previous messageGo to next message

I'm sick of this too. It's the organisational side that's failing, not he players - I don't doubt their ability. They need to train.
I don't believe that it's about getting a few more quid in either, the 20 or so people who turn up will barely cover the ref's expenses.
I suggest we start looking for people to take the club off his hands. How about we find out how much he wants for starters?

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Re: Friendly v Woking, Tuesday    Message 47819 is a reply to message 47817Fri, 02 November 2018 13:12  Go to previous messageGo to next message

Peter Crouch's Publicist wrote on Fri, 02 November 2018 12:45


His club. His team. His ball, and if he takes it away and never comes back well, then you'll be sorry.


That's it though, one day he will go, so why aren't we trying to force him to go?

The sooner the better so the club has a chance to recover while there are still people who care.

The longer it goes on, the less likely the club will survive after Day.

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Re: Friendly v Woking, Tuesday    Message 47820 is a reply to message 47819Fri, 02 November 2018 14:18  Go to previous messageGo to next message

Why aren't "we" forcing him to go? You're a bloody long way away Dennis mate! By "we" do you mean those of us who still attend games?!? He's not going to listen to anyone else's opinion, there's too much narcissistic certainty there. I've shouted 'Spencer Out' at him - it doesn't work. Nor do protests, boycotts, petitions, chants or keyboard warrioring. Any suggestions?

As for how much he wants for the club - when the last consortium tried I think it was quoted as somewhere in the millions so good luck with that.

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Re: Friendly v Woking, Tuesday    Message 47821 is a reply to message 47820Fri, 02 November 2018 14:25  Go to previous messageGo to next message

It is a bit far for me!

Things like sit in protests where he's forced to confront the fans.

Barricade his car in while fans wait to talk with him.

Gather in the main stand and continually protest so he's fully aware.

There needs to be something.

Meekly waiting isn't going to work.

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Re: Friendly v Woking, Tuesday    Message 47822 is a reply to message 47821Fri, 02 November 2018 16:23  Go to previous messageGo to next message

Well, it worked against Bashar in Syria during the Arab Spring!

Oh, wait...

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Re: Friendly v Woking, Tuesday    Message 47823 is a reply to message 47822Fri, 02 November 2018 16:40  Go to previous messageGo to next message

Joking aside, I seem to remember FaST putting to the regime an "assumption" that we would be challenging for promotion this season.

As that assumption looks more and more ridiculous, will FaST be making any formal communication to the regime about dwindling support, season being over in October, dozens of players used already, etc, etc?

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Re: Friendly v Woking, Tuesday    Message 47824 is a reply to message 47820Fri, 02 November 2018 16:51  Go to previous messageGo to next message

Several of us on this thread have been involved in discussions with Spencer in the past. In my opinion, there is zero interest from within the fan base in buying into the club in whole or in part. The problem has always been one of valuation where the gap approximates to the difference between the National League and Level 9. If Spencer can find someone to close that gap in value then good luck to him. He hasn't managed it so far and as each year passes so the value to any normal bidder falls yet further.
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Re: Friendly v Woking, Tuesday    Message 47825 is a reply to message 47822Fri, 02 November 2018 16:58  Go to previous messageGo to next message

I'm not in favour of the confrontational approach, and the use of force, if used, requires an equal, or bigger, force to achieve it's aim, and I'm not sure that is available right now!!

It would also need a 'serious' buyer behind it as well, and I don't see them queueing up, do you?

The long game would see the Club falling lower and lower, until it's value makes it viable to any potential new owners, and the value becomes far from the millions talked about a few years ago, if that was ever true in the first place!!!

That price can't be far away now surely, and the only true asset must be the ground lease!!

Maybe at that time the current owners would be happy to cut their losses and sell?

Still have to be careful though, we don't want another Billericay situation!!!

Regardless of the excellent sponsorship money coming in, the front end product is still not up to standard, ( not the players fault I point out ), and that is where the Club lives or dies.

Everything revolves around what happens on the pitch!

The tragedy is that it 'could' be turned around reasonably quickly, if the will was there, and the right actions taken!!!




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Re: Friendly v Woking, Tuesday    Message 47826 is a reply to message 47825Fri, 02 November 2018 19:12  Go to previous messageGo to next message

This is getting boring now, instead of moaning about the situation why not do as Barry suggests and get a consortium together and put a package to Spencer, its the only way he's going to go.
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Re: Friendly v Woking, Tuesday    Message 47827 is a reply to message 47826Fri, 02 November 2018 19:20  Go to previous messageGo to next message

a vehicle to front this is required.

a consortium with fundraising ability, administration & organisation.

we already have this in FaST. it's ready made to take him on. they already represent us, have a voice in the club and supplied a lot of support off the pitch.

would they be willing? if they were I'd join and help where I can.


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Re: Friendly v Woking, Tuesday    Message 47828 is a reply to message 47825Fri, 02 November 2018 19:21  Go to previous messageGo to next message

I can understand people of a certain disposition wanting to live their fantasy life.

I can also understand that some people possess more sheer bloody arrogance than their track record justifies.

What I can't understand is the apparent lack of ambition and strategy to reach a future goal (no pun intended).

This is football, it's all about hope, belief, passion and a unified 'club' - but we hear nothing...

Absolute silence.....

Shameful.


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Re: Friendly v Woking, Tuesday    Message 47829 is a reply to message 47828Sat, 03 November 2018 12:37  Go to previous messageGo to next message

Question for Spencer....

Just what had you hoped to achieve this season and what have you actually achieved for the club so far this season?

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Re: Friendly v Woking, Tuesday    Message 47888 is a reply to message 47829Tue, 06 November 2018 13:40  Go to previous messageGo to next message

What is Spencer wanting for the club, a few mil still? He certainly lives on another planet. No consortium is even worth considering when he throws such an unrealistic price tag out. Let's see what you get for your money.

- A club losing money each week
- A club plummenting towards step 4
- A club with a reputation for not paying bills and going into Admin
- A club with a terrible reputation within non-league circles
- A club that local business' don't trust to partner with.

Yes, we have one of the best grounds at our level, but it's not ours so you'll have to pay the rent and don't forget the maintenance costs too.

I bet you couldn't give the club away for free if you tried.

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Re: Friendly v Woking, Tuesday    Message 47889 is a reply to message 47888Tue, 06 November 2018 14:35  Go to previous messageGo to next message

Most of what you say is true Trents, but there has been some excellent work done behind the scenes re sponsorship, and much of it local!!

That is obviously what is keeping the Club afloat, but it is still the front end product, and organisation, where it isn't being used effectively that is the problem.

Until that is properly recognised, and acted upon, the value of the Club, and its reputation, will diminish further as time goes on.

I would say that the Club, as a whole, and it's ground and position, is probably now at a value that would attract a serious purchaser, but I'm sure it's way, way, below what has been mentioned in earlier 'dreamland' statements!!

The problem appears to be, for some reason, a reluctance to sell, but at the same time it has to be borne in mind that there are some pretty unsavoury characters around in the football world, as we well know, and it could be frying pan and fire!!!!







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Re: Friendly v Woking, Tuesday    Message 47890 is a reply to message 47888Tue, 06 November 2018 17:50  Go to previous messageGo to next message

Agree fully, Trents.

When we last tried to form a consortium of fans, there was no real interest once we looked at the practical issues. Lots of emotional support but that doesn't pay the bills. The first problem, and a pretty big one at that, is the time and cost of carrying out the due diligence BEFORE anyone can even start to consider a bid. Given our financial history, the due diligence could be complex and expensive requiring lots of specialist legal and financial resource to do it properly. What's more, you only find out how complex and expensive once you've started doing it and racking up bills.

Unless expertise is available within the fan base, and because it is specialist I don't think it is likely, then the cost will be high. If no deal results for whatever reason - be it disagreement on the price, lack of finance, bad news from the DD, inability to get the support of the Council or whatever - then that money is sunk. Dead and gone forever. I don't really care about third parties risking losing money on a punt but I would be very reluctant to see fans - who deserve much better - take that risk.

A history of takeovers, mainly unsuccessful - serves to show that you have to be very careful in looking to buy this football club.

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Re: Friendly v Woking, Tuesday    Message 47893 is a reply to message 47890Tue, 06 November 2018 22:13  Go to previous message

I agree with Bob about the importance of the product on the pitch.

Please excuse the analogy - you can have the prettiest lake in the county but no-one will pay to fish it if the stock's no good..

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